B19 Robert Hoar 2nd b1748 MA (formerly Peter Horr, his Grandson)

Focused around the 2xGreat Grandson of Hezekiah Hoar where the family history is still formalizing and we saw the great expansion across the continental USA over the next 100 years or so. A place to document further discoveries and refinements from what has already been made available to us. This is now known to be Peter Horr's grandparents. See the Page History section below for the original focus of this page and branch.

Note: B01 page contents copied in and still being pared down to reflect the expanded focus of this page. Pardon the dust during this remodel.

Background on Research

The original work on this branch was by Norton Horr in his early 1907 work well known to the Hezekiah Hoar¹ community. Joyce pushed hard to break the misnomer this early work introduced that Robert Horr III⁶ had died in New York and never married. Instead she, along with Donna Jaster and Roz Edson, developed a whole line below Robert Horr III⁶ that included his wife Lavina Hamm and many children. Including the now known Peter Horr ⁷ as the last offspring. Just as it was a monumental effort to show Peter Horr ⁷ as the son of Robert Horr III⁶, so has it been previously for these ladies to show that Robert Horr III⁶ lived on, procreated and was the son of Robert Hoar II⁵.

It appears Robert Horr III⁶ is responsible for spelling name change from Hoar to Horr around 1800; as did some of his relatives. Similar in frequency to how many changed it from Horr to __Harr_ around 1900 as well. It is not known what spurred these spelling changes other than the fact that records started becoming more written and formal at both those times.

We have never seen the used of the designation Robert III. Nor Robert II that some are aware of. This is introduced simply as a convenience to more easily identify and distinguish the three generations of Roberts.

Researchers and Descendants (current)

Researcher	GenDB	Website	Lineage
Randy Harr *YA	DB	Site	Robert Horr III6 (Descent from Hezekiah proved via yDNA; descent from Robert 3rd proved by Autosomal analysis.)
Donna Jaster	RW		Robert Horr III6
Joyce Selix *A	RW	Site1, Site2(arch)	Warren Horr6
Susan Krueger *YA			Israel Horr6
Kathy Forgie *YA (Y via her nephew Cameron)			Isaac Horr6

^* Family member DNA tested; placed in group (YDNA-STR and/or Autosomal SNP aka FamilyFinder)
^** DNA test results pending; believed group based on genealogical work only
Pink for female, italic for portion of descendant line that is not patrilineal, pink, bold, italic for female that starts the break from a patriline (daughter of patriline)

Researchers and Descendants (historic)

Researcher	Website	Lineage
Edward Weed Horr		Edward Weed Horr8, Asa Horr7, Isaac Horr6

Books and Articles

• Horr, Edward Weed, Family Bible of Edward Weed Horr and Janie T. Rodman, 1963, Microfilm at FHL
• Horr, Edward Weed, Journal of E. W. Horr, 1963, Microfilm at FHL
• Horr, Edward Weed, and McGee, Juliette, Vital statistics : never before published records of far western Kentucky, records compiled over a half century by E.W. Horr, 1977, Riverfolk Publishing, Book at FHL

Minor section in a larger work:

• Duis, E. The good old times in McLean County, Illinois : containing two hundred and sixty-one sketches of old settlers, a complete historical sketch of the Black Hawk war and descriptions of all matters of interest relating to McLean? County, 1874 (archive.org) (specifically check out the sketch on Josiah Horr on pages 750-751)
• History of Vermilion County, together with historic notes on the Northwest, gleaned from early authors, old maps and manuscripts, private and official correspondence, and other authentic, though, for the most part, out-of-the-way sources, 1879 (archive.org) (specifically, check out write-up by Matilda or Nancy Horr, or their descendent, on pages 670-674)
• Horr, Norton Townshend.; A Record of Descendants of Hezekiah Hoar of Taunton, Massachusetts with an Historical Introduction, 1907, Cleveland, Ohio, privately published, 56pp (Note: Norton lists Robert Hoar III⁶ as died without issue on page xx)
  • Archive.org scan from Boston Public Library copy. Noted as being Author's copy. Includes hand corrected errata and updates in the original pages and an additional bound-in 100 numbered pages of notes, errata, additions,collected signatures and further research. Also inserted in back some personal correspondence and photos. B&W optimized version for laser printers and enhanced Table of Contents of this author's copy created and available.
  • Family History Library, Salt Lake City. With a letter from William Spencer Horr dated May, 1934 indicating a later re-publication and clean-up.

Biographies (on an Individual)

Notable Family Members

Patriline

Not many historically significant members are known in this group. Mostly just hard working settlers through the centuries.

• Josiah Horr
  • an early leader in Illinois and helped found the county Champaign in both Illinois and Ohio before that. He is noted as giving Abraham Lincoln his first job and case as a lawyer.
• Ruth Mae Millette nee Farris, b1895 St Louis, MO (aka Ruth Silbon) and her children Jimmy and Penny Millette
  • Aerialists in the Ringling-Brothers and related circus shows (1910's through 1950's)
  • Daughter of Surilda "Rilla" Farris nee Horr, Great-Granddaughter of Peter Horr, 2x Great Grandaughter of Robert III⁶
• Earl Kenneth "Ken" Forsse, b1936 Bellwood, Nebraska (Wikipedia)
  • Inventor of Teddy Ruxpin; worked for Walt Disney
  • Grandson of Anna Forsse nee Horr; Great-Grandson of Peter Horr, 2x Great Grandson of Robert III⁶

Page History

This page had nominally been to capture the details on the search for the parents of Peter Horr, b.1819 Ohio. For those logged in to this site and with privilege, see the DNA Groupings page on Peter for the latest on how we are finalizing the answer via DNA. Peter, the now found siblings, and all the respective descendants from them are on the fringe of useful Autosomal DNA testing to prove the link of Peter's parents; where written records have not been found.

Otherwise, see Randy's personal page on Peter Horr that preceded the project here and captured his early process pf finding Peter's parents. See its Wiki history for more insight into the early history of finding his roots. Updates since that page has been edited are on the yDNA Groupings page referenced above. The page and search documented there was the impetus for Randy's portion of work that formed this overall surname project and sight.

Now, in essence, the DNA page on Peter is as much about his found parents Robert Horr III and Lavina Hamm as it is about their previously undocumented son Peter Horr. As it is reconfirming the family grouping including him. We renamed the Peter Horr pages and expanded the focus to be more about documenting this reconstructed family of Robert Horr III and Lavina Hamm that Roz, Joyce and Donna worked so hard on for the past 30 years. And in fact, to push the work further up to Peter's grandfather Robert Hoar II and Sarah Reed so as to continue the push into extreme autosomal matching and filling in the missing information from Norton Horr's seminal work on the line.