B09 Robert Hore b.1480c Leckhampton, Gloucestershire

This has been a surprising and complicated development whose investigation was spurred by trying to explain the DNA test matching. Something that had yet to even be considered as a hypothesis with many different and existing genealogies. Based on the DNA match, Malcolm's longtime research into his family line has to somehow link up with the John Hord of Virginia descendants. And a number of others with very different surnames but near identical yDNA STR and SNP values and roots into early, colonial Virginia. This page is to catalog the discovery process at finding the link as well as publish the result. And therefore the new push on John Hord's English ancestry and how that may overlap with Malcolm's study into his Patriline Gloucester roots. See the B09 DNA Study Page of this branch for details on the DNA matches. We document the genealogical study here.

In summary, here is the original EKA of each sub-branch in the yDNA STR match list. What was known genealogically before a deeper look.

Alfred Hord of England had been historically reported as the EKA (English) for the B06 John Hord of Shady Grove line. This by Robert Hord back in the early 1800's. Malcolm has been doing a more thorough review and is convinced this is not the correct ancestry. He redeveloped the likely English source of John Hord that also then explains the DNA matching. His current research indicates that John Hord was the son of a John Hore who arrived in Virginia from Tackley. John Hore is the son of Giles Hore of Leckhampton who is also Malcolm;s ancestor. See the chart that Malcolm developed and first published in Newsletter #13 in December 2018 and then updated in #17 December 2019. Note that even the multiple Munday matches had different EKA and were not connected initially. Malcolm working with William Foster has worked to connect them into this same, newly developed line through their common ancestor of Isaac Munday. The level of records found does not always rise to the level of a Genealogical Proof Standard. But when taken in with the DNA matching evidence, provides the strongest, compelling case that is consistent with everything known.

The initial working-theory of the surname progression is given below and now superseded by the detailed chart above. Ones ending in asterisk (*) are a line that remained with that surname to present day. We had simply been presuming that Malcolm, with the oldest EKA is the origin of the surname. Which we now believe turns out to be true. This early working theory is based on the EKA of each line and a very rough, early correspondence of STR results.

According to Malcolm, "The link where these names converge is likely early 1600 and 1700's Westmoreland Parish, Stafford County, VA. and Essex County, VA. There are just too many co-incidences. The HORE family owned plantations next to the MONROE's in Westmoreland Parish, and intermarried. Thomas MUNDAY held 500 acres in 1704 in Essex County where the HORE (HORD) family owned land, Thomas MUNDAY lived in Sittingbourne Parish, Essex County. Thomas MUNDAY was married [in] 1718 to Elizabeth HARRISON. The HARRISON family intermarried with both the HORE, MONROE and MUNDAY families, which is probably where the name Harrison MUNDAY came from. Elias HORE married Isabella TRIPLETT (parents William TRIPLETT and Isabella MILLER) in 1711, she then married William Burr HARRISON in 1734 after the death of Elias HORE. William HARRISON then looked after the four children of ELIAS HORE. lots to sort out."

11 of these testers have done 111 STR markers and 3 (from the first three lines above) have done BigY. We need further verification (to 111 markers and deep SNP testing) from the other lines before proceeding too deeply into a genealogical study on them all. But it is pretty clear these various family branches are all tied together into a single biological, Patriline.

This all started when Malcolm's y37 test results first came in after we recruited him. We were wondering whether his deep Gloucester roots would link him to the Charles Hoare family with Gloucester roots. Not even close. Instead, among his matches, was a Horace Hord with believed genealogical links back to John Hord of Shady Grove, Virginia. This caused us to recruit others from the previously Other Branches of John Hord, none of which had tested. Their results came in and matched Malcolm as well. After contacting and starting to investigate the other matches, a convergence of place and time started to appear of their EKA in the early Virginia Colony area. This is the tightest knit group (based on DNA) of any in the project with nearly 20 participants and many testing to the limits of the current yDNA test products.

Malcolm's Research

Recent discoveries and current research is documented here; in reverse chronological order. Malcolm started by editing web (wiki) pages here under the title Malcolm's Notes. He then started doing Malcolm's Blog posts. But both were too restrictive on formatting. So now he is composing PDF documents and emailing them to the B09 email list as Malcolm's Newsletter.

Books and Articles (TBD)

These are Items that Malcolm is seeking and may find useful. They are to review yet and a guide for his American cousins to assist the effort and help find a copy to get into Malcolm's hands.. If you have access, and want to review for the group, contact Malcolm. Otherwise, most books and articles are listed on the John Hord Books and Articles section on the B06 John Hord of Shady Grove page and similar.

• Hoare, Malcolm P, "Origins of the Hore Family from 12th Century Oxford", 1 March 2020 (unpublished, private distribution), 258pp (copyrighted)
• Eaton, David W., "Historical Atlas Of Westmoreland County", Dietz Press, Richmond, 1942 (copyrighted)
• Hoare, Malcolm P, "(Google Books Digitized) (Utah Genealogical Society Microfilm), (Other Libraries)-- a book of maps of early land patents in Westmoreland County (digitized in 2007 @ UVa by Google but not available online)
• Hore, Elias A.W., "Account Book 1871 - 1873" 171 pp, Gain Barcode:1106945, Library of Virginia — It records the individual accounts of customers. Each account lists transactions in chronological order, items purchased, and the amount owed and paid. Items sold by Hore include brandy, flour, fish hooks, corn, bacon, and wheat. Payments made by cash, barter such as oats and cider, or labor such as hauling goods. Volume also includes a listing of property belonging to Horse that was sold at auction. Information found in list includes item sold, name of purchaser, and amount paid. This item came to the Library of Virginia in shipments of court papers from Fauquier County.
• Hore, Elias A.W., "Account Book 1843" 336pp, Mss5:3H7817:1, Virginia Historical Society. - This volume, kept by Hore presumably as a deputy sheriff in Stafford County, includes an alphabetical list of local tax payers and the property on which taxes were levied. Also, contains a list of free African Americans in Hore’s district of the county.

Books and Articles

Articles or Sections in Larger Work

• , ''Gloucestershire Subsidy Roll of 1327, I Edward, iii, volume 12", 1856, 1327pp (GoogleBooks from Oxford Library) (see pages 7 and 50 for John Houwes and Hugh le Hore entries
• Miller, Eric, "Rough Justice in 16th Century Leckhampton", part of Leckhampton Local History Society Research Bulletin Number 5, Summer 2020, pp20-24 (concerning William Hoare; significant work by Malcolm) (copyrighted)