Alice (Unknown)

Abt 1624 - 1696  (~ 72 years)

• Name	Alice (Unknown)
  Born	Abt 1624
  Gender	Female
  Died	5 Jun 1696
  Person ID	I35790	A00 Hoar and Horr Families North America
  Last Modified	19 Dec 2013

  
  

  Family	John Hoare,   b. Abt 1622, , Gloucester (aka Gloucestershire), England of ,   d. 2 Apr 1704, Concord, Middlesex Co, Massachusetts, USA  (Age ~ 82 years)
  Married	Abt 1645	Concord, Middlesex Co, Massachusetts, USA
  Children	1. Elizabeth Hoar,   b. Abt 1646, Concord, Middlesex Co, Massachusetts, USA ,   d. 25 Sep 1687, Lancaster, Worcester Co, Massachusetts, USA  (Age ~ 41 years)   2. Mary Hoar,   b. Abt 1648, ,   d. 5 Jun 1697,  (Age ~ 49 years)   3. Daniel Hoar,   b. Abt 1650, Scituate, Plymouth Co, Massachusetts, USA ,   d. 8 Feb 1743, Concord, Middlesex Co, Massachusetts, USA  (Age ~ 93 years)
  Last Modified	6 Jul 2011
  Family ID	F13622	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

• Notes

  Concord Vital Records "Alice Hoar ye wife of Mr Jno Hoar her husband dyed June ye 5th day 1696" Bond, in Watertown Genealogies, gives her death date as June 5, 1697. http://books.google.com/books?id=T0ZPAAAAMAAJ&q=Lisle+%22Graves+Family+Newsletter%22++2002&dq=Lisle+%22Graves+Family+Newsletter%22++2002&ei=TA7xR4WLC4vKiQG7k-CvDQ&pgis=1 The Graves Family Newsletter Published 2002 Original from the University of Wisconsin - Madison v.12-16 1987-1993 On page 105 it says: Ed. Note: John Hoar married Alice Sidney, daughter of Philip Sidney and Lady Alice (Lisle) Sidney. http://genforum.genealogy.com/hobart/messages/482.html John Hoar married Alice Sidney not Lisle Posted by: Rinnah Burns Date: March 05, 2008 I was sent information from the Graves Family Newsletter of 2002 --pages 12-16. In it the Editor's note states that John Hoar married Alice Sidney, daughter of Philip Sidney and Lady Alice (Maiden Name Unknown) Sidney. I have found the Sidney Family of Robert Sidney and Barbara Gamage to be the closest line Alice Sidney who married John Hoar. Robert and Barbara Gamage Sidney had 11 children. One was Alice Sidney b. 1605--brother was Philip Sidney b. 1590 who is the father of Alice Sidney (Lady Lisle) who married John Hoar. Their sister Philippa married John Hobart brother of Mary Elizabeth Hobart who married John Lisle. Philip Sidney's brother Robert b. 1595 was the father of Algernon Sidney who was friends with Lady Alicia Beacomsawe Lisle--Algernon and Lady Alicia were beheaded on the same day. Typhena Lisle married Leonard Hoar brother of John Hoar. Robert Sidney b. 1563 Viscount Lisle Barbara Gamage b.1565 Children were Philippa Sidney b. 1599 married John Hobart, brother of Mary Elizabeth Hobart who married Lord John Lisle. Robert Sidney b. Dec 1, 1595 son was Algernon Sidney who was friends with Lady Alicia Beacomsawe Lisle--Algernon and Lady Alicia were beheaded the same day. Philip Sidney b. 1590--daughter Alice Sidney (Lady Lisle)--grandfather Robert was Viscount Lisle-married John Hoar Mary Sidney b. 1586 married Sir Robert Wroth--she wrote poetry Very Famous Elizabeth Sidney b. 1602 William Sidney b. 1585 Catherine Sidney b.1597 married Lewis Mansel Barbara Sidney b. 1600 married 1. Thomas Smythe 2. Thomas Colepepper Bridget Sidney b. 1604 Henry Sidney b.1587 Alice Sidney b. 1605 Sir Robert Sidney b.Nov 19, 1563 was given the Title of Viscount Lisle in 1605. I think this is where the confusion came in on the Lisle name. Alice daughter of Philip Sidney would be Lady Alice Sidney Lisle--but Lisle in this case is a Title not a surname. Now it is understandable why F. Phelps Leach and his sister Elizabeth M. Leach Rixford made this mistake. All these familes of Sidney, Hobart, Hoar, Lisle were all related either by marriage and Royal Blood cousins. The Will of Alicia Lisle of Moyles Court http://books.google.com/books?id=yWdTXEEhTSMC&pg=RA1-PA90&lpg=RA1-PA90&dq=%22alicia+lisle+of+moyles+court%22&source=web&ots=kTsal4SGxy&sig=AlWFDaKkjxNm02nc-hlPg3Ji6k8#v=onepage&q=%22alicia%20lisle%20of%20moyles%20court%22&f=false http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.hoar/214/mb.ashx We can thank F. Phelps Leach and his sister Elizabeth M. Leach Rixford for the myth that the wife of John Hoar was Alice Lisle. His work on the Hungerford family postulated that Alice was a [?Lisle]. His sister removed the brackets and question mark. No one challenged them for years. The evidence through the Lisle family do NOT show a dau named Alice that married John Hoar.