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- Information on this family was kindly contributed by:
Jeff Hubbell - JHubbell(at)torontoport.com
Name: Andrew Hoar
Gender: Male
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Birth Date: 25 Sep 1874
Birthplace: Whitby, Ontario, Ontario
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Father's Name: James Hoar
Father's Birthplace:
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Mother's Name: Anne Stephenson
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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03328-7
System Origin: Ontario-ODM
Source Film Number: 1845044
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Collection: Ontario Births and Baptisms, 1779-1899
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Date: Thu Nov 1, 2007 From: Jeff Hubbell
JHubbell@torontoport.com
To: rozedson@excite.com Subject: Hoars
Hi Roz, We may have been in touch in the past, I'm not sure at the moment, but I might have some additional stuff for your Hoar family website. My name is Jeff Hubbell and I am a descendent of the Hoar family of Kilkhampton, Cornwall, England. Here's what I have that may be of interest, starting with me, I guess, for lack of a better place to start. The first few are my paternal male ancestors until we get to James Hoar Hubbell, William Jeffrey (1961 - ) Hubbell, William Ernest (1930-1984) Hubbell David Andrew (1901-1956) Hubbell, David Andrew (1874 - 1949) Hoar, James (.1845 - 1927) James Hoar was born in Kilkhampton, Cornwall, England near the border with Devonshire. It appears that all his life he was an agricultural labourer or labourer. He moved to Canada -- probably as part of the great Cornish worldwide diaspora of the 19th century -- in 1867 and settled north of Whitby in the Brooklin, Ontario area. He married a Scots girl named Ann Stephenson in 1871 or 1872 (I have the info but I'm writing off the top of my head here) and in 1874, they had a son named Andrew Hoar. Unfortunately, Ann died six months after the birth of their only child from pneumonia in early 1875. Ann is buried at the Hubbell Family Cemetery in Myrtle, Ontario. (The Hubbell farm is still there but not owned by the family anymore). James, for whatever reason (I simply assume he didn't know how to look after a baby or couldn't as his job required him to be out in the fields all day) and he gave the baby away to a nearby family, the Hubbells. Lester and Lydia Hubbell took him (and several other orphaned children) as their own, and renamed him with Lester's father's name, David. So he became David Andrew Hubbell (a name which has not missed a generation until my children were born). James, however remarried only a year or two later to another Scottish girl, Jessie Baird. (Often incorrectly identified as Jessie Baud Baird). They had about seven or so kids, one of whom died at the age of 22 of "epilepsy and imbecility since childhood". James died in 1927 in Whitby Ontario, where he had lived on Kent Street. He is buried in a very poor grave a few miles north in Brooklin at Groveside Cemetery. The stones give virtually no idea who is there and I only found out from talking to the cemetery manager. There is a simple (roughly 8" by 8") stone marked "Hoar" set into the ground facing the sky, and beside it three other small inset stones, saying "Father", "Mother" and the name of the daughter who had died. No dates, no names (except for the daughter whose name escapes at the moment), nothing. I have not yet been able to make contact with any descendents. James' father was Edward Hoar, who was born in Morwenstow on the north coast of Cornwall around 1805. Edward was also an agricultural labourer and sometime in his early 30s he met a girl named Elizabeth Vanstone, who was from the coastal (and gorgeously situated) village of Clovelly just inside the Devonshire border. How they met I don't know, but Kilkhampton was the local market town and it's quite possible they met there. At any rate, some of their children were born there. The Hoars seemed to move around a fair bit, Kilkhampton, Morwenstow and the village of Coombe are all listed as places they lived at. After James emigrated, I have no evidence to support that they ever saw each other again. Nor do I have any information on Edwards' or Elizabeth's parents. There are a lot of Hoars and Vanstones in the neighbourhood though, and it really could have been any of them. Edward and Elizabeth had other children who appear to have remained in England, but I have not been able to track them down. A lot of this info is available on Ancestry.ca where I've got my family down in the Hubbell Family Tree. I don't know if it is accessible or not, but I hope it is. Check it if you like. So there you are, another little piece of the Hoar puzzle -- hopefully it fits! Sincerely, Jeff Hubbell Toronto
Other info that may or may not apply:
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:OYPdsyc6CmcJ:homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/ont76.htm+hubbell+hoar+whitby+canada&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us>
#007964-76 (Ontario Co): James HOAR, 26, widower, farmer, England, Whitby, s/o Edward & Elizabeth, married Jessie BAIRD, 20, Scotland, Whitby, d/o Robert & Agnes, witn: William & Harriet HOARD of Whitby, 30 March 1876 at Whitby
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:L2Deo7V1aKQJ:www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/death/deathindex_ma_new.htm+hubbell+hoar+whitby+canada&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us>
MAW, William, m, October 31, 1891, 49 years, Whitby Twp, cause - cirrhosis of liver about 1 year, farmer, infm - William Hoar of Brooklin, Whitby Twp (Ontario Co.) 011827-91
http://members.aol.com/wwjohnston/pedlar1841.htm
There still lay before the Pedlar family and some of their friends, Mr. Jacob Hoar & family, a land journey of about forty miles to the home of a relative of the Hoars', named Richard Luke, who lived in the 5th concession, on Lot 9, of the township of Whitby. Three strong waggons, drawn by two horses, each, were contracted for, and without much delay, the tavellers and their baggage, moved toward Whitby. The Hoar family, small in number, made one Waggon suffice for them and their belongings.
Passenger Lists I am not aware of any web sites that have the passenger lists for the four ships on these voyages. From the document, we know that the "Clio" carried about 200 passengers, including 7 from the Pedlar family (Henry, Nancey, their son Samuel, and four other children -- I do not know if the son George mentioned in the document was born before or after the crossing), the members of the Hoar family, and Stephen Grose (and possibly his family). Nothing is known of the passengers aboard the "Dewdrop", the "Springflower", or the "John and Mary", other than that the total of their passengers for all three vessels was about 400.
Concerning Richard Luke:
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:zK0iihcEFI0J:archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CORNISH/1999-07/0933096256+%22richard+luke%22+whitby&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us>
From: < LWatt@aol.com
Subject: LUKE
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:24:16 EDT
Listers:
This is what I was sent recently from Oshawa, Ont. Can:
It's from the Pedlar Papers written by Samuel Pedlar in 1885 and 1896. Henry
Pedlar (his father?) emigrated to Whitby Twp.in Ont. Can. from Cornwall on
the ship "Clio" from Padstow" in 1841.
1834 Richard Luke (farmer and saw mill owner)
.....A few years after Thomas Pascoe & Richard Harper settled near "English
Corners" in the Twp. of Whitby. Mr. Richard Luke and his family settled on
Lot 9 in the 5th Concession in the year 1834. Mr. Luke came from near St,
Austell, Cornwall, England. He came across the Atlantic in the old fashioned
sailing vessel "New Eagle" from Plymouth bound for Quebec. There came out at
that same time, his brothers, William & Joseph and their families. There
also came at the same time Wm. Wadge, Thomas Martin, William Powers, Isaac
may and their families all of whom came from near St. Austell, Cornwall and
all of them settled in the neighborhood near where Richard Luke settled.
Pioneer Luke as were other Cornishmen played an important part in the
settlement of East Whitby, many of whom, if not the whole of them have passed
away."
The ( ) are mine notes.
Richard Luke d. 22 Jul 1869, aged 72yrs, 6mos and 10days.[Native of Cornwall, England]
Wife [Mary Pascoe] d. 23 Jan 1857, aged 58 [Native of Cornwall, England]
Their children:
Mrs. John May
Lewis Luke and family who reside in Toronto
Jesse Pascoe Luke d. 30 May 1887, leaving a widow (Mary Ritson) and large
family in Oshawa
Joseph Luke who with his family reside in Oshawa
Samuel Luke, a long time resident of Oshawa
John Luke, who resides on the homestead farm of the 5th concession
Mrs. Wilcox, who with her son and his family reside in Chicago
James Luke (md. Catherine Ritson)
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:-DGB2bBhYNkJ:homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/ont81.htm+hoar+whitby+canada&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us>
008414-81 James HOAR, 21, Farmer, Brooklin, same, s/o Richard & Betsy HOAR, married Minnie D. DAY, 21, Brooklin, same, d/o John & Bridget DAY. Witn: George & Annie COLWELL, both of Brooklin. Nov. 30, 1881, Whitby
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2007 From: Jeff Hubbell
To:
Hi Roz, Thanks for sending me all this stuff! I've seen some of it but much of it is new to me. It's an interesting thing for me to follow up on my family history because it dovetails with the history of the area that I was born and raised in. In the 1800s (about 1850 to 1880) there was an enormous exodus from the Cornwall area of Britain. There was no work, the copper mines had been closing down and as more unemployed men wandered about there were fewer farm labourer jobs to be had as well. For whatever reason, the largest single group of Cornish settlers (and the Cornish are a bit odd, they are considered Celtic, rather than Anglo, the remnants of a southern group of early Britons who had been pushed west by the invading Saxons. One group went straight West, hiding in the mountains and became the Welsh, which in the old Saxon language meant "strangers" or "others". The Bristol Channel separated that group from the southern batch, who were pushed further into south west England before they stopped behind the River Tamar. These were the Cornish. Note that the "wall" part of "Cornwall" correlates to the word "Wales", again, meaning stranger. They had their own language for hundreds of years (closely related to Welsh and to the Breton language in Brittany, France) but it was extinct by the beginning of the 19th century. There have been attempts to resurrect it, but it is currently only spoken by a few hard-core Cornish. Anyways, the Cornish spread all around the world -- Australia, South Africa, the US and Canada were the preferred destinations. Of the ones who came to Canada, for some reason the greatest single group of them settled in the counties of Northumberland, Durham and Ontario, from approximately Cobourg Ontario to what is now Pickering Ontario and north about to Lake Simcoe. In Canada of course we have lots of counties with pasts tied into European regions -- Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry are famous for their Scottishness, while Kitchener-Waterloo abouds with Germans and Mennonites. Parts of northern Ontario are almost exclusively French speaking, as are the very extremities of south western Ontario. Yet, there's nothing to suggest the Cornishness of Ontario, Durham and Northumberland counties. I don't think there's ever been anything written on it other than a short piece from something the Canadian government commissioned in the 1990s. Yet the place is full of Cornish and other West Country (Devonshire, Dorsetshire) names: Hoar, Vanstone, Boyce, Pedlar, Penfound, Pascoe, Winnicott, Hambly, Rickard, Frayne, Petherick, Trelawney, Tremaine, -- as identifiable by their Pens and Tres as Scots and Irish are with their Macs and Mcs. The name Hoar pops up throughout England, but by far its biggest concentrations are in three counties -- Cornwall, Devonshire and nearby Hampshire. As I understand it, the Irish branch came out of Devonshire. There are coats of arms for both families and they are pretty much identical: A silver eagle poleaxed on a black shield with a silver border (engrailed? I can't remember). I was very interested to see -- I hadn't noticed it before -- that the witness to James' second marriage was named "Hoard". "Hoard" often shows up as a variation of Hoar, so I have to wonder if they were related. I don't have any evidence to suggest that the Hoar family mentioned in the Pedlar story was in any way related to James, except they were both Hoars from Cornwall. The Pedlars went on to become a very influential family in Oshawa, starting the Pedlar People business which was a metal working company that was a major employer for many years. I still remember the old Victorian brick factory that's been gone now for about 20-30 years...I believe the ship Clio mentioned in the story was written off in the early 1860s, it was one of several ships that used the small port town of Padstowe in North Cornwall as it's departure point, and I'm inclined to think that that's where James left from, although again, I have no proof, it just seems to make sense. Anyways, thanks again for sending me this material. Were you able to access the information on Ancestry.com? Hubbell Family Tree? Jeff
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